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Criterio para los nombres de plantillas
editarA pedido de @-jem- inicio este hilo. Como ya se habrán dado cuenta muchos, eliminé la mayoría de las redirecciones a plantillas. En muchos casos, se trataba de plantillas escritas con mayúscula inicial y todo en minúscula. En estos casos, fui por el criterio de dejar solo la versión en minúscula, a menos que se trate de un nombre propio. Propongo que sea ese el nuevo criterio para las nuevas plantillas que se creen. Hay algunas plantillas viejas sin redirección escritas con mayúscula, que en principio las dejaría así porque tampoco es trivial migrar plantillas y si la marco commo obsoleta el módulo me tira error, y después tengo que inmiscuirme en conversaciones ajenas para comentar las plantillas, y todo eso. Si alguien quiere oponerse, hable ahora o calle para siempre. Tmagc (discusión) 14:43 3 oct 2024 (UTC)
- A favor. Peter Bowman (discusión) 14:50 3 oct 2024 (UTC)
- A favor, creo. Saludos. Lin linao ¿dime? 18:23 5 oct 2024 (UTC)
Invitation to Participate in Wiki Loves Ramadan Community Engagement Survey
editarDear all,
Apologies for writing in English. Please help to translate in your language. We are excited to announce the upcoming Wiki Loves Ramadan event, a global initiative aimed at celebrating Ramadan by enriching Wikipedia and its sister projects with content related to this significant time of year. As we plan to organize this event globally, your insights and experiences are crucial in shaping the best possible participation experience for the community.
To ensure that Wiki Loves Ramadan is engaging, inclusive, and impactful, we kindly invite you to participate in our community engagement survey. Your feedback will help us understand the needs of the community, set the event's focus, and guide our strategies for organizing this global event.
Survey link: https://forms.gle/f66MuzjcPpwzVymu5
Please take a few minutes to share your thoughts. Your input will make a difference!
Thank you for being a part of our journey to make Wiki Loves Ramadan a success.
Warm regards,
User:ZI Jony 03:19 6 oct 2024 (UTC)
Wiki Loves Ramadan Organizing Team
Tech News: 2024-41
editarLatest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Weekly highlight
- Communities can now request installation of Automoderator on their wiki. Automoderator is an automated anti-vandalism tool that reverts bad edits based on scores from the new "Revert Risk" machine learning model. You can read details about the necessary steps for installation and configuration. [1]
Updates for editors
- Translators in wikis where the mobile experience of Content Translation is available, can now customize their articles suggestion list from 41 filtering options when using the tool. This topic-based article suggestion feature makes it easy for translators to self-discover relevant articles based on their area of interest and translate them. You can try it with your mobile device. [2]
- View all 12 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week.
Updates for technical contributors
- It is now possible for
<syntaxhighlight>
code blocks to offer readers a "Copy" button if thecopy=1
attribute is set on the tag. Thanks to SD0001 for these improvements. [3] - Customized copyright footer messages on all wikis will be updated. The new versions will use wikitext markup instead of requiring editing raw HTML. [4]
- Later this month, temporary accounts will be rolled out on several pilot wikis. The final list of the wikis will be published in the second half of the month. If you maintain any tools, bots, or gadgets on these 11 wikis, and your software is using data about IP addresses or is available for logged-out users, please check if it needs to be updated to work with temporary accounts. Guidance on how to update the code is available.
- Rate limiting has been enabled for the code review tools Gerrit and GitLab to address ongoing issues caused by malicious traffic and scraping. Clients that open too many concurrent connections will be restricted for a few minutes. This rate limiting is managed through nftables firewall rules. For more details, see Wikitech's pages on Firewall, GitLab limits and Gerrit operations.
- Five new wikis have been created:
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MediaWiki message delivery 23:42 7 oct 2024 (UTC)
Resultados preliminares de las Elecciones de la Junta Directiva de la Fundación Wikimedia 2024
editarHola a todas y todos,
Gracias a todas las personas que participaron en las Elecciones de la Junta Directiva de la Fundación Wikimedia 2024. Se registraron 6000 votos de integrantes de la comunidad a lo largo de 180 proyectos wiki.
Los siguientes cuatro personas fueron las más votadas:
Si bien estas candidaturas han sido clasificadas a través del voto, aún deberán ser nombradas a la Junta Directiva. Deberán pasar exitosamente una revisión de trasfondos y cumplir con las calificaciones descritas en los estatutos. Las nuevas personas que formarán parte de la Junta Directiva serán nombradas en la siguiente reunión de la Junta en diciembre de 2024.
Lee el anuncio completo en Meta-Wiki.
Saludos cordiales,
Grupo de Trabajo de Elecciones de Comité y Selección de la Junta Directiva
MPossoupe_(WMF) 08:26 14 oct 2024 (UTC)
Tech News: 2024-42
editarLatest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Updates for editors
- The Structured Discussion extension (also known as Flow) is starting to be removed. This extension is unmaintained and causes issues. It will be replaced by DiscussionTools, which is used on any regular talk page. A first set of wikis are being contacted. These wikis are invited to stop using Flow, and to move all Flow boards to sub-pages, as archives. At these wikis, a script will move all Flow pages that aren't a sub-page to a sub-page automatically, starting on 22 October 2024. On 28 October 2024, all Flow boards at these wikis will be set in read-only mode. [10][11]
- WMF's Search Platform team is working on making it easier for readers to perform text searches in their language. A change last week on over 30 languages makes it easier to find words with accents and other diacritics. This applies to both full-text search and to types of advanced search such as the hastemplate and incategory keywords. More technical details (including a few other minor search upgrades) are available. [12]
- View all 20 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, EditCheck was installed at Russian Wikipedia, and fixes were made for some missing user interface styles.
Updates for technical contributors
- Editors who use the Toolforge tool Earwig's Copyright Violation Detector will now be required to log in with their Wikimedia account before running checks using the "search engine" option. This change is needed to help prevent external bots from misusing the system. Thanks to Chlod for these improvements. [13]
- Phabricator users can create tickets and add comments on existing tickets via Email again. Sending email to Phabricator has been fixed. [14]
- Some HTML elements in the interface are now wrapped with a
<bdi>
element, to make our HTML output more aligned with Web standards. More changes like this will be coming in future weeks. This change might break some tools that rely on the previous HTML structure of the interface. Note that relying on the HTML structure of the interface is not recommended and might break at any time. [15]
In depth
- The latest monthly MediaWiki Product Insights newsletter is available. This edition includes: updates on Wikimedia's authentication system, research to simplify feature development in the MediaWiki platform, updates on Parser Unification and MathML rollout, and more.
- The latest quarterly Technical Community Newsletter is now available. This edition include: research about improving topic suggestions related to countries, improvements to PHPUnit tests, and more.
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MediaWiki message delivery 21:21 14 oct 2024 (UTC)
Se buscan personas voluntarias para unirse a varios de los comités del movimiento
editarCada año, normalmente de octubre a diciembre, varios de los comités del movimiento buscan nuevas personas voluntarias.
Pueden leeer más acerca dee los comités en sus respectivas páginas de Meta-wiki:
- Comité de Afiliaciones (AffCom)
- Comisión de Inspectores de Privacidad (Ombuds Commission, OC)
- Comité de Revisión de Casos (CRC)
Las convocatorias para unirse a los comités se abre el 16 de octubre de 2024. Las solicitudes para el Comité de Afiliaciones cierran el 18 de noviembre de 2024, y las solicitudes para la Comisión de Inspectores de Privacidad y el Comité de Revisión de Casos cierra el 2 de diciembre de 2024. Pueden leer cómo solicitar su integración visitando la página de nombramientos en Meta-wiki. Pueden escribir en la página de discusión de dicha página o escribir un correo electrónico a cst@wikimedia.org con cualquier pregunta que pudieran tener.
En nombre del Equipo de Apoyo a Comités,
-- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 23:09 16 oct 2024 (UTC)
Tech News: 2024-43
editarLatest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Weekly highlight
- The Mobile Apps team has released an update to the iOS app's navigation, and it is now available in the latest App store version. The team added a new Profile menu that allows for easy access to editor features like Notifications and Watchlist from the Article view, and brings the "Donate" button into a more accessible place for users who are reading an article. This is the first phase of a larger planned navigation refresh to help the iOS app transition from a primarily reader-focused app, to an app that fully supports reading and editing. The Wikimedia Foundation has added more editing features and support for on-wiki communication based on volunteer requests in recent years.
Updates for editors
- Wikipedia readers can now download a browser extension to experiment with some early ideas on potential features that recommend articles for further reading, automatically summarize articles, and improve search functionality. For more details and to stay updated, check out the Web team's Content Discovery Experiments page and subscribe to their newsletter.
- Later this month, logged-out editors of these 12 wikis will start to have temporary accounts created. The list may slightly change - some wikis may be removed but none will be added. Temporary account is a new type of user account. It enhances the logged-out editors' privacy and makes it easier for community members to communicate with them. If you maintain any tools, bots, or gadgets on these 12 wikis, and your software is using data about IP addresses or is available for logged-out users, please check if it needs to be updated to work with temporary accounts. Guidance on how to update the code is available. Read more about the deployment plan across all wikis.
- View all 33 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, the South Ndebele, Pannonian Rusyn, Obolo, Iban and Tai Nüa Wikipedia languages were created last week. [16][17][18][19][20]
- It is now possible to create functions on Wikifunctions using Wikidata lexemes, through the new Wikidata lexeme type launched last week. When you go to one of these functions, the user interface provides a lexeme selector that helps you pick a lexeme from Wikidata that matches the word you type. After hitting run, your selected lexeme is retrieved from Wikidata, transformed into a Wikidata lexeme type, and passed into the selected function. Read more about this in the latest Wikifunctions newsletter.
Updates for technical contributors
- Users of the Wikimedia sites can now format dates more easily in different languages with the new
{{#timef:…}}
parser function. For example,{{#timef:now|date|en}}
will show as "22 November 2024". Previously,{{#time:…}}
could be used to format dates, but this required knowledge of the order of the time and date components and their intervening punctuation.#timef
(or#timefl
for local time) provides access to the standard date formats that MediaWiki uses in its user interface. This may help to simplify some templates on multi-lingual wikis like Commons and Meta. [21][22] - Commons and Meta users can now efficiently retrieve the user's language using
{{USERLANGUAGE}}
instead of using{{int:lang}}
. [23] - The Product and Tech Advisory Council (PTAC) now has its pilot members with representation across Africa, Asia, Europe, North America and South America. They will work to address the Movement Strategy's Technology Council initiative of having a co-defined and more resilient technological platform. [24]
In depth
- The latest quarterly Growth newsletter is available. It includes: an upcoming Newcomer Homepage Community Updates module, new Community Configuration options, and details on new projects.
- The Wikimedia Foundation is now an official partner of the CVE program, which is an international effort to catalog publicly disclosed cybersecurity vulnerabilities. This partnership will allow the Security Team to instantly publish common vulnerabilities and exposures (CVE) records that are affecting MediaWiki core, extensions, and skins, along with any other code the Foundation is a steward of.
- The Community Wishlist is now testing machine translations for Wishlist content. Volunteers can now read machine-translated versions of wishes and dive into discussions even before translators arrive to translate content.
Meetings and events
- 24 October - Wiki Education Speaker Series Webinar - Open Source Tech: Building the Wiki Education Dashboard, featuring Wikimedia interns and a Web developer in the panel.
- 20–22 December 2024 - Indic Wikimedia Hackathon Bhubaneswar 2024 in Odisha, India. A hackathon for community members, including developers, designers and content editors, to build technical solutions that improve contributors' experiences.
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Actual
'Wikidata item' link is moving, finally.
editarHello everyone, I previously wrote on the 27th September to advise that the Wikidata item sitelink will change places in the sidebar menu, moving from the General section into the In Other Projects section. The scheduled rollout date of 04.10.2024 was delayed due to a necessary request for Mobile/MinervaNeue skin. I am happy to inform that the global rollout can now proceed and will occur later today, 22.10.2024 at 15:00 UTC-2. Please let us know if you notice any problems or bugs after this change. There should be no need for null-edits or purging cache for the changes to occur. Kind regards, -Danny Benjafield (WMDE) 11:29 22 oct 2024 (UTC)
Tech News: 2024-44
editarLatest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Updates for editors
- Later in November, the Charts extension will be deployed to the test wikis in order to help identify and fix any issue. A security review is underway to then enable deployment to pilot wikis for broader testing. You can read the October project update and see the latest documentation and examples on Beta Wikipedia.
- View all 32 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, Pediapress.com, an external service that creates books from Wikipedia, can now use Wikimedia Maps to include existing pre-rendered infobox map images in their printed books on Wikipedia. [25]
Updates for technical contributors
- Wikis can use the Guided Tour extension to help newcomers understand how to edit. The Guided Tours extension now works with dark mode. Guided Tour maintainers can check their tours to see that nothing looks odd. They can also set
emitTransitionOnStep
totrue
to fix an old bug. They can use the new flagallowAutomaticBack
to avoid back-buttons they don't want. [26] - Administrators in the Wikimedia projects who use the Nuke Extension will notice that mass deletions done with this tool have the "Nuke" tag. This change will make reviewing and analyzing deletions performed with the tool easier. [27]
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MediaWiki message delivery 20:56 28 oct 2024 (UTC)
Final Reminder: Join us in Making Wiki Loves Ramadan Success
editarDear all,
We’re thrilled to announce the Wiki Loves Ramadan event, a global initiative to celebrate Ramadan by enhancing Wikipedia and its sister projects with valuable content related to this special time of year. As we organize this event globally, we need your valuable input to make it a memorable experience for the community.
Last Call to Participate in Our Survey: To ensure that Wiki Loves Ramadan is inclusive and impactful, we kindly request you to complete our community engagement survey. Your feedback will shape the event’s focus and guide our organizing strategies to better meet community needs.
- Survey Link: Complete the Survey
- Deadline: November 10, 2024
Please take a few minutes to share your thoughts. Your input will truly make a difference!
Volunteer Opportunity: Join the Wiki Loves Ramadan Team! We’re seeking dedicated volunteers for key team roles essential to the success of this initiative. If you’re interested in volunteer roles, we invite you to apply.
- Application Link: Apply Here
- Application Deadline: October 31, 2024
Explore Open Positions: For a detailed list of roles and their responsibilities, please refer to the position descriptions here: Position Descriptions
Thank you for being part of this journey. We look forward to working together to make Wiki Loves Ramadan a success!
Warm regards,
The Wiki Loves Ramadan Organizing Team 05:11 29 oct 2024 (UTC)
Tech News: 2024-45
editarLatest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Updates for editors
- Stewards can now make global account blocks cause global autoblocks. This will assist stewards in preventing abuse from users who have been globally blocked. This includes preventing globally blocked temporary accounts from exiting their session or switching browsers to make subsequent edits for 24 hours. Previously, temporary accounts could exit their current session or switch browsers to continue editing. This is an anti-abuse tool improvement for the Temporary Accounts project. You can read more about the progress on key features for temporary accounts. [28]
- Wikis that have the CampaignEvents extension enabled can now use the Collaboration List feature. This list provides a new, easy way for contributors to learn about WikiProjects on their wikis. Thanks to the Campaign team for this work that is part of the 2024/25 annual plan. If you are interested in bringing the CampaignEvents extension to your wiki, you can follow these steps or you can reach out to User:Udehb-WMF for help.
- The text color for red links will be slightly changed later this week to improve their contrast in light mode. [29]
- View all 32 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, on multilingual wikis, users can now hide translations from the WhatLinksHere special page.
Updates for technical contributors
- XML data dumps have been temporarily paused whilst a bug is investigated. [30]
In depth
- Temporary Accounts have been deployed to six wikis; thanks to the Trust and Safety Product team for this work, you can read about the deployment plans. Beginning next week, Temporary Accounts will also be enabled on seven other projects. If you are active on these wikis and need help migrating your tools, please reach out to User:Udehb-WMF for assistance.
- The latest quarterly Language and Internationalization newsletter is available. It includes: New languages supported in translatewiki or in MediaWiki; New keyboard input methods for some languages; details about recent and upcoming meetings, and more.
Meetings and events
- MediaWiki Users and Developers Conference Fall 2024 is happening in Vienna, Austria and online from 4 to 6 November 2024. The conference will feature discussions around the usage of MediaWiki software by and within companies in different industries and will inspire and onboard new users.
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MediaWiki message delivery 20:50 4 nov 2024 (UTC)
Tech News: 2024-46
editarLatest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Updates for editors
- On wikis with the Translate extension enabled, users will notice that the FuzzyBot will now automatically create translated versions of categories used on translated pages. [31]
- View all 29 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, the submitted task to use the SecurePoll extension for English Wikipedia's special administrator election was resolved on time. [32]
Updates for technical contributors
- In
1.44.0-wmf-2
, the logic of Wikibase functiongetAllStatements
changed to behave likegetBestStatements
. Invoking the function now returns a copy of values which are immutable. [33] - Wikimedia REST API users, such as bot operators and tool maintainers, may be affected by ongoing upgrades. The API will be rerouting some page content endpoints from RESTbase to the newer MediaWiki REST API endpoints. The impacted endpoints include getting page/revision metadata and rendered HTML content. These changes will be available on testwiki later this week, with other projects to follow. This change should not affect existing functionality, but active users of the impacted endpoints should verify behavior on testwiki, and raise any concerns on the related Phabricator ticket.
In depth
- Admins and users of the Wikimedia projects where Automoderator is enabled can now monitor and evaluate important metrics related to Automoderator's actions. This Superset dashboard calculates and aggregates metrics about Automoderator's behaviour on the projects in which it is deployed. Thanks to the Moderator Tools team for this Dashboard; you can visit the documentation page for more information about this work. [34]
Meetings and events
- 21 November 2024 (8:00 UTC & 16:00 UTC) - Community call with Wikimedia Commons volunteers and stakeholders to help prioritize support efforts for 2025-2026 Fiscal Year. The theme of this call is how content should be organised on Wikimedia Commons.
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Tech News: 2024-47
editarLatest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Updates for editors
- Users of Wikimedia sites will now be warned when they create a redirect to a page that doesn't exist. This will reduce the number of broken redirects to red links in our projects. [35]
- View all 42 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, Pywikibot, which automates work on MediaWiki sites, was upgraded to 9.5.0 on Toolforge. [36]
Updates for technical contributors
- On wikis that use the FlaggedRevs extension, pages created or moved by users with the appropriate permissions are marked as flagged automatically. This feature has not been working recently, and changes fixing it should be deployed this week. Thanks to Daniel and Wargo for working on this. [37][38]
In depth
- There is a new Diff post about Temporary Accounts, available in more than 15 languages. Read it to learn about what Temporary Accounts are, their impact on different groups of users, and the plan to introduce the change on all wikis.
Meetings and events
- Technical volunteers can now register for the 2025 Wikimedia Hackathon, which will take place in Istanbul, Turkey. Application for travel and accommodation scholarships is open from November 12 to December 10 2024. The registration for the event will close in mid-April 2025. The Wikimedia Hackathon is an annual gathering that unites the global technical community to collaborate on existing projects and explore new ideas.
- Join the Wikimedia Commons community calls this week to help prioritize support for Commons which will be planned for 2025–2026. The theme will be how content should be organised on Wikimedia Commons. This is an opportunity for volunteers who work on different things to come together and talk about what matters for the future of the project. The calls will take place November 21, 2024, 8:00 UTC and 16:00 UTC.
- A Language community meeting will take place November 29, 16:00 UTC to discuss updates and technical problem-solving.
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MediaWiki message delivery 02:00 19 nov 2024 (UTC)
Propuesta de reducir (aun más) parámetros de pron-graf
editarCreo haber solicitado permiso para borrar algún que otro parámetro de esta plantilla debido a que al haber implementado los módulos se volverían muy innecesarios. En realidad, ahora vengo a preguntar si estaría bien eliminar varios parámetros que nunca fueron usados a gran escala:
- |s (|salt, |snota, etc.) : esta serie de parámetros era una fila adicional en la versión antigua de la plantilla, supuestamente para “palabras que también se representan con símbolos”, pero nunca se explicó en la documentación y en la práctica fue más común optar por “grafía alternativa”. -> unifico a |g (grafía alternativa).
- |ts y derivados: esta serie de parámetros apuntaba a indicar una “transcripción silábica”, una transliteración de una grafía diferente pero agregando una separación en sílabas. Lo cierto es que como la transliteración debería poder pronunciarse desde el punto de vista del español, la separación en sílabas queda implícitamente aclarada, por lo que resulta redundante.
- |e y derivados: esta serie de parámetros se utilizaba para indicar “escrituras alternativas”. Se diferenciaba de las “grafías alternativas” en cuanto que vincula palabras de sistemas de escritura distintos entre un mismo idioma, como ocurre con el japonés entre el hiragana y el katakana. En la práctica, lo más común fue utilizar “grafía alternativa” y agregar una nota adicional indicando la escritura correspondiente. Por lo que pronongo unificarlo a |g (grafía alternativa).
- Todos los parámetros que terminen en “num”: recientemente en la guía de estilo agregué un criterio para ordenar las etimologías en el que básicamente se usa el criterio histórico. En general referenciar a otra entrada agregando el número de etimología me parece mala idea porque si se debe reordenar el orden en la página de esa palabra hay que cambiar los números en todas las que apunten a esa referencia. En mi opinión, no es necesario aclarar el número porque al cotejar las páginas de la página que referencia y la referenciada uno se da cuenta si por ejemplo una variante aplica a todas las etimologías o a una sola. En los pocos casos en los que haya ambigüedad, preferiría añadir una nota aclaratoria diciendo el sentido al que aplica. Esto aplica en general, tanto para palabras referenciadas con esta plantilla, como para palabras referenciadas en otra parte de la página.
- Todos los parámetros que terminen con “tr”: agrega una transliteración a la variante o grafía alternativa, redundante en mi opinión ya que se puede acceder a la página correspondiente y leer la transliteración en su propia plantilla de pron-graf.
Las páginas con estos parámetros son menos de 300 [39]. Implementando estos cambios, la plantilal de pron-graf quedaría con, además de los parámetros “fonéticos”, parámetros para indicar variantes, grafías alternativas, homófonos y parónimos; cada uno con su “alt” (altera la apariencia) y “nota” (para agregar una nota a pie de página). No creo que se necesite más que eso. Tmagc (discusión) 15:21 20 nov 2024 (UTC)
Propuesta para eliminar páginas con enclíticos
editarSegunda propuesta: hay unas pocas páginas en el sitio de verbos con enclíticos. La idea es borrar casi todas, sino todas. Motivo? Es innecesario agregar más conjugaciones para cada forma canónica, ya hay bastantes sin considerar formas compuestas ni pronominales, etc. No veo cómo puede aportar valor al proyecto por lo que deberían ser borradas a menos que estén lexicalizadas con alguna definición diferente a la forma canónica, en cuyo caso se requeriría agregar la página pero introduciendo esta nueva definición. Tmagc (discusión) 15:29 20 nov 2024 (UTC)
- ¿Por qué para usted esas formas carecen de valor? Ivanics (Res publica non dominetur) 00:04 21 nov 2024 (UTC)
- quítalo = quita + lo. Lo considero un caso de suma de las partes. Si consideramos que las combinaciones es con lo/los/la/las/le/les es sumar seis formas flexivas más. Si agregamos quita+lo/los/la/las/le/les quitar+lo/los/la/las/le/les, quitándo+lo/los/la/las/le/les ya son 24 formas flexivas extra por cada verbo. Eso sería llenar la base de datos con más entradas que no aportan nada de información nueva, la regla para construir verbos enclíticos es prácticamente universal para todos los verbos. Tmagc (discusión) 00:14 21 nov 2024 (UTC)
- Según ese argumento, también deberían borrarse las formas correspondientes a la conjugación de los verbos regulares, porque siguen una norma «prácticamente universal» para construirlos. Ivanics (Res publica non dominetur) 00:20 21 nov 2024 (UTC)
- Exacto! Solo que 1. hay varios verbos irregulares lo que de algún modo justificaría tener páginas aparte y 2. si fuera por mí borraría todas las entradas de formas flexivas porque no aportan nada de información nueva, solo dejaría la tabla de conjugación en la forma canónica y las formas no canónicas solo las que están lexicalizadas como pagaré, pero sería un cambio muy grande como para hacerlo en el corto plazo aunque no lo descarto. En cambio los enclítios son siempre regulares y por ahora solo hay 59 Categoría:ES:Formas con enclíticos. Estamos a tiempo de evitar que se propague el vicio. Tmagc (discusión) 00:49 21 nov 2024 (UTC)
- Muy en contra. El valor de Wikcionario por sobre un diccionario impreso común y corriente está en tener el potencial de ser un catálogo de todas las palabras existentes, incluyendo flexiones, conjugaciones, variantes, diminutivos, etcétera; lo que puede brindar un valor de uso importante para las personas que están aprendiendo un idioma, inteligencias artificiales, lingüistas e incluso hablantes comunes de un idioma. Ivanics (Res publica non dominetur) 01:04 21 nov 2024 (UTC)
- Exacto! Solo que 1. hay varios verbos irregulares lo que de algún modo justificaría tener páginas aparte y 2. si fuera por mí borraría todas las entradas de formas flexivas porque no aportan nada de información nueva, solo dejaría la tabla de conjugación en la forma canónica y las formas no canónicas solo las que están lexicalizadas como pagaré, pero sería un cambio muy grande como para hacerlo en el corto plazo aunque no lo descarto. En cambio los enclítios son siempre regulares y por ahora solo hay 59 Categoría:ES:Formas con enclíticos. Estamos a tiempo de evitar que se propague el vicio. Tmagc (discusión) 00:49 21 nov 2024 (UTC)
- Según ese argumento, también deberían borrarse las formas correspondientes a la conjugación de los verbos regulares, porque siguen una norma «prácticamente universal» para construirlos. Ivanics (Res publica non dominetur) 00:20 21 nov 2024 (UTC)
- quítalo = quita + lo. Lo considero un caso de suma de las partes. Si consideramos que las combinaciones es con lo/los/la/las/le/les es sumar seis formas flexivas más. Si agregamos quita+lo/los/la/las/le/les quitar+lo/los/la/las/le/les, quitándo+lo/los/la/las/le/les ya son 24 formas flexivas extra por cada verbo. Eso sería llenar la base de datos con más entradas que no aportan nada de información nueva, la regla para construir verbos enclíticos es prácticamente universal para todos los verbos. Tmagc (discusión) 00:14 21 nov 2024 (UTC)
- A favor. Como decía en Discusión:quítalo, prefiero borrarlas ahora para hacer las cosas bien después, si es que así lo decidimos. @Tmagc: son muchas más de 24 por verbo si consideramos también las formas literarias/poéticas/potenciales como quitelo (= lo quité), quitaríamoslas (= las quitaríamos), etc. Si abrimos un melón, que sea con perspectiva: hemos necesitado 20 años para crear 59 entradas de una categoría que debería alojar millones, por lo que no aprecio su valor actual. @Ivanics: si un lingüista acude a nosotros, esto nos dejará en evidencia. Peter Bowman (discusión) 20:21 21 nov 2024 (UTC)
- Mientras aceptemos tener formas no canónicas no veo motivo para sacar este pequeño subconjunto y conservar todo el resto. A menos que cause problemas diferentes al resto. ¿Es así? Saludos. Lin linao ¿dime? 15:22 22 nov 2024 (UTC)
Sign up for the language community meeting on November 29th, 16:00 UTC
editarHello everyone,
The next language community meeting is coming up next week, on November 29th, at 16:00 UTC (Zonestamp! For your timezone <https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1732896000>). If you're interested in joining, you can sign up on this wiki page: <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Language_and_Product_Localization/Community_meetings#29_November_2024>.
This participant-driven meeting will be organized by the Wikimedia Foundation’s Language Product Localization team and the Language Diversity Hub. There will be presentations on topics like developing language keyboards, the creation of the Moore Wikipedia, and the language support track at Wiki Indaba. We will also have members from the Wayuunaiki community joining us to share their experiences with the Incubator and as a new community within our movement. This meeting will have a Spanish interpretation.
Looking forward to seeing you at the language community meeting! Cheers, Srishti 19:55 21 nov 2024 (UTC)